Showing posts with label 2010. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 2010. Show all posts

Thursday, September 30, 2010

Slash 2011 Tour Dates


on tour with Ozzy Osbourne Jan 16 thru Feb 22

January 16 - Omaha, NE
January 18 - Houston, TX
January 20 - Dallas, TX
January 21 - Wichita, KS
January 22 - Kansas City, MO
January 23 - Park City, UT
January 24 - San Antonio, TX
January 25 - El Paso, TX
January 26 - Phoenix, AZ
January 28 - Las Vegas, NV
January 29 - Salt Lake City, UT



February 1 - Los Angeles,CA
February 3 - San Jose, CA
February 4 - Grand Ronde, OR
February 5 - Tacoma, WA
February 8 - Denver, CO
February 10 - Tulsa, OK
February 12 - Detroit, MI
February 13 - Chicago, IL
February 14 - Moline, IL
February 16 - Nashville, TN
February 17 - Charlotte, NC
February 18 - Tampa, FL
February 20 - Fort Lauderdale, FL
February 22 - Jacksonville, FL



February 26 - Brisbane, Australia
February 27 - Sydney, Australia
March 4 - Melbourne, Australia
March 5 - Adelaide, Australia
March 7 - Perth, Australia
March 11 - Singapore, Singapore
March 12 - Singapore, Singapore
March 14 - Osaka, Japan
March 16 - Tokyo, Japan
March 17 - Tokyo, Japan
March 18 - Yokohama, Japan



March 28 - Mexico City, Mexico
March 31 - Caracas, Venezuela
April 2 - Bogota, Colombia
April 4 - Santiago, Chile
April 6 - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
April 7 - Sao Paulo, Brazil
April 8 - Curitiba, Brazil
April 10 - Buenos Aires, Argentina
April 13 - San Juan, Puerto Rico

July 09 - Kinross, UK
July 10 - Naas, Ireland
July 12 - Paris, France
July 13 - Zurich, Switzerland
July 15 - Madrid, Spain
July 16 - Lisbon, Portugal
July 17 - Bilbao, Spain
July 20 - Birmingham, UK
July 21 - Manchester, UK
July 23 - London, UK
July 24 - Stoke, UK
July 25 - Leeds, UK
July 28 - Milan, Italy
July 29 - Rome, Italy
July 31 - Belgrade, Serbia

Slash 2010 Tour Dates

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Sunday, January 17, 2010

Guns N' Roses in Calgary


Calgary, Alberta - January 16, 2010

Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Sorry
Richard Fortus solo
Live and Let Die
If the World
Rocket Queen
Dizzy Reed Solo
Street of Dreams
You Could Be Mine
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
My Generation
I.R.S
Axl Rose piano solo (Someone Save My Life Tonight)
November Rain
Ron Thal Solo (Pink Panther)
Shackler's Revenge
Liquor & Whores (w/ Bubbles)
Out Ta Get Me
DJ Ashba solo
Sweet Child O' Mine
This I Love
Nightrain

ENCORE

Madagascar
Better
Patience
Paradise City
O Canada (Ron Thal solo)

Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Guns N' Roses Blow Into Winnipeg


Photo: "The Bay" © Bryan Scott
"Yo Vancouver!! D'oh!! Bkstage in Winnipeg, Danko's on, 26F HEATWAVE!! Excited 2 get this rolling. In r off time we'll b helping Mounties flush out Al Qaeda. (What's that aboot, Eh? jk) Good 2 see Baz! LET'S DO THIS!!!

On a side note, pretty low n' selfish usin' the devastation in Haiti 2 start (false) reunion rumors. R hearts n' prayers go out to the Haitian people."
-Axl Rose

Winnipeg, Manitoba - January 13, 2010

Intro
Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Shackler's Revenge
Richard Fortus solo
Live and Let Die
Sorry
If the World
Dizzy Reed solo
Street of Dreams
Jam
Better
You Could Be Mine
DJ Ashba solo
Sweet Child O' Mine
I.R.S.
Jam
Axl Rose piano solo
November Rain
Jam
Scraped
Ron Thal solo
Out Ta Get Me
Knockin' on Heaven's Door
Nightrain

--- ENCORE ---

Madagascar
Jam
This I Love
Frank Ferrer solo
Rocket Queen
My Generation
Patience
Paradise City

Thanks to Here Today ... Gone to Hell! for the updates.

Thursday, January 7, 2010

The Stream Dream


Hello fellow Guns N' Roses fans!

2010 is certainly shaping up to be an exciting year. The Canadian dates are approaching fast (5 Days!), GN'R is heading to South America in March, and there are rumors of European dates for the Summer.

There's been a lot of talk about getting a live stream going of one of the shows.

Considering that we are the greatest fan community in the world, I thought we might try and take matters into our own hands.

http://www.ustream.tv/

Welcome to USTREAM. A free service which connects to your phone through a free application and enables you to stream live to the web via an embeddable (like YouTube, see below) video.



Now that anyone with an iPhone can stream, we could theoretically stream every show on the tour.

Check out this gear:

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/01/05/second-generation-blue-microphones-mikey-announced-uses-free-ap

The "Mikey" (by Blue Microphones)
promises to be a powerful professional recording solution for iPhone owners when it arrives in the spring. Mikey still features two Blue mic capsules for pro-quality stereo recording, but now has improved acoustic circuitry for better recordings of loud events such as concerts.
$99!

This is potentially exciting news, and if anyone wants to shoot me an email, you can find my address at the top right of this page or just tweet me @MackArillo

Now read this: Ustream Broadcaster could mean more concert videos streaming live online
After signing up for a Ustream account, users can hit the "go live" button and start streaming video from the iPhone's camera to their Ustream website profiles. The app is available as a free download and even runs on older iPhones that don't have built-in video recording features.

Here's some homework for you Thursday night: Search Ustream for Metallica or Morrissey. Even if you didn't get tickets, you won't have to miss a beat.
Happy 2010 and Beyond ...

-M

Tuesday, December 22, 2009

Guns N' Roses Confirm 5 Shows in Brazil in 2010


globo.com
Guns N' Roses will hit Brazil in March with shows in:

Brasilia (March 7)
Belo Horizonte (March 10
Sao Paulo (March 13)
Rio de Janeiro (March 14) and
Porto Alegre (March 16)

Sunday, November 29, 2009

SLASH 2010 Tour Dates

(for Slash's 2011 tour dates, click here)

SLASH - LEAD GUITAR
MYLES KENNEDY - VOCALS
BOBBY SCHNECK - RHYTHM GUITAR
TODD KERNS - BASS GUITAR
BRENT FITZ - DRUMS

"We're going to start doing shows in April and a couple of shows in May, then I'm going to start touring properly in June doing the summer festivals in the UK."

March 11 - Toronto, Ontario

April 6 - The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (NBC)
April 8 - Lopez Tonight with George Lopez (TBS)
April 8 - Los Angeles, California
April 9 - Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson (CBS)
April 10 - Hollywood, California
April 24 - Melbourne, Australia

May 7 - Los Angeles, California
May 10 - The Ellen DeGeneres Show (NBC)
May 21 - Walker, Minnesota
May 22 - Atlantic City, New Jersey
May 23 - Columbus, Ohio
May 30 - Landgraaf, Netherlands
May 31 - Amsterdam, Netherlands

June 2 - Copenhagen, Denmark
June 4 - Nürburg, Germany
June 5 - Nuremburg, Germany
June 7 - Berlin, Germany
June 8 - Prague, Czech Republic
June 10 - Milan, Italy
June 12 - Burgenland, Austria
June 13 - Donnington, UK
June 16 - Zurich, Switzerland
June 18 - Saint-Denis, France
June 19 - Clisson, France
June 20 - Paris, France
June 22 - Porto, Portugal
June 25 - Vitoria, Spain
June 26 - Dessel, Belgium
June 27 - Glastonbury, UK
June 29 - Dublin, Ireland
June 30 - Belfast, Northern Ireland

July 1 - Edinburgh, Scotland
July 3 - Manchester, UK
July 4 - London, UK
July 5 - Esch-sur-Alzette, Luxembourg
July 8 - Kvinesdal, Norway
July 10 - Gävle, Sweden
July 11 - Turku, Finland
July 14 - Moscow, Russia
July 15 - St. Petersburg, Russia
July 29 - Hong Kong, China
July 31 - Surabaya, Indonesia

August 2 - Fort Canning, Singapore
August 3 - Jakarta, Indonesia
August 5 - Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
August 7 - Osaka, Japan
August 8 - Tokyo, Japan
August 11 - Melbourne, Australia
August 12 - Brisbane, Australia
August 14 - New Plymouth, New Zealand
August 15 - New Plymouth, New Zealand
August 16 - Sydney, Australia
August 28 - West Hollywood, CA
August 29 - San Francisco, CA
August 31 - Aspen, CO

September 1 - Denver, CO
September 2 - North Kansas City, MO.
September 4 - Mount Pleasant, MI
September 5 - Milwaukee, WI
September 6 - Clear Lake, IA
September 8 - Chicago, IL
September 9 - Windsor, ON
September 10 - Toronto, ON
September 11 - Belleville, ON
September 14 - Atlantic City, NJ (10am show)
September 14 - New York, NY
September 15 - Boston, MA
September 17 - Atlantic City, NJ
September 18 - Norfolk, VA
September 20 - Atlanta, GA
September 22 - Council Bluffs, IA
September 23 - Medina, MN
September 24 - Winnipeg, MB
September 25 - Saskatoon, SK
September 27 - Calgary, AB
September 28 - Edmonton, AB
September 30 - Vancouver, BC

October 1 - Vancouver, BC
October 2 - Seattle, WA
October 4 - Reno, NV
October 5 - Hollywood, CA
October 6 - Hollywood, CA

Pollstar
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LiveNation
TicketMaster
Slash on Eventful

SLASH: Updated Album News

SLASH Setlists

Thursday, November 19, 2009

More "Spies"


Today's update comes courtesy of DJ Will (KNAC) who posted this on the Metal Sludge Gossip boards. The info comes via Rancid Punks over at MyGNR
"I'm shocked this guy brought a camera & reported anything ... after the head production manager made two announcemets ... No Cameras!

I was there one night and it was pretty cool I must say.

No Axl of course.

Well, without giving away the full set (I promised Del!), they did a complete run through of about 17-18 songs for about a week. Lots of visuals that complement each track - pyro, spots,etc. Nice lighting truss design plus a fucking bad ass re-working of a theme song that leads into "Live & Let Die" written by Richard Fortus. Overall well done.

I loved "Shackler's Revenge," "Better," "Prostitute" & "Rocket Queen" live.

FYI: That middle ramp/riser has Axl's grand piano under it for quick access."
Thanks to Rancid Punks and DJ Will for this sneak peak into what is shaping up to be a "monumental" stage show.

Tuesday, November 17, 2009

GN'R VIP Packs Cancelled - Or Are They?


Yesterday afternoon, the following message was sent out by the team at I Love All Access:
Due to unforeseen circumstances, there will not be an Ultimate fan package on the Guns N’ Roses tour in January 2010.

You have two options:

Option 1: Keep your Toronto general admission ticket(s) only. We will refund the difference between the ticket price ($87.32 USD, at today’s exchange rate) and the package price ($207.68 USD per package), to the credit card used to make your purchase. Your ticket will be available at the box office on the day of the show. There is no priority access.

Option 2: Choose a full refund and cancel your order entirely. We will refund your order to the credit card used to make your purchase.

Please note it may take 5-10 business days to credit to your account.

Please let us know your preference by Friday November 20th, 2009 at 5pm Pacific time via e-mail to info@iloveallaccess.com, or simply reply to this e-mail. If we do not hear from you by this time, we will process option 1 for you.
However, in a surprising(?) turn-of-events, Guns N' Roses issued a statement late last night via their new means of communication Facebook and MySpace:
Canadian VIP packages
There's been a miscommunication between us and I Love Access regarding the VIP packages for the Canadian tour. Just sit tight while we work it out.
So, what's the deal? I don't know. Stay tuned.

Discuss.

Thursday, October 8, 2009

Satan Laughing Spreads His Wings!


Slash N' Friends at the Mirage, October 2, 2009. More videos.





"War Pigs" and "Immigrant Song" thanks to Nando.



"It's So Easy" thanks to TartynPink

Saturday, October 3, 2009

Slash N' Friends Review From the Vegas Sun



LAS VEGAS SUN
Where Courtney Love meets John Momot: Slash concert a true variety show

By John Katsilometes
Photo: Justin Bowen

The allure of these rollicking Slash & Friends concerts brings to mind the imperious message from old late-night TV pitchmen: “How do we do it? Volume, volume, volume!”

Quality, quantity, high spirits and jacked-up amperage made for a late-night carnival at Bare Pool Lounge at The Mirage late last night, a showcase that spilled into the morning with an after-party at Jet. The all-star rock ’n’ roll exercise hosted by the former lead guitarist of Guns N’ Roses summoned the old (dueling iconic guitarists Rick Nielsen and Joe Perry), bold (Courtney Love, tossing aside typical stage protocol to read lyrics to the gender-unspecific “20th Century Boy”) and beautiful (the wholly captivating Nicole Scherzinger, the leather-and-lace encased frontwoman for Pussycat Dolls).

As for the latest SlashFest, it hardly mattered that over the past few weeks, the event’s lineup experienced more drops than Terrell Owens during last Sunday’s Bills-Saints game (Rob Zombie, Jason Bonham, Tommy Lee and announced emcee Kiefer Sutherland were among the fall-out boys). The show drew ample star power anyway, and of course the requisite oddities, such as an onstage visit from Slash’s wife, Perla. The stormy spouse and Slash’s apparent voice of reason strode onstage in a beaded black corset adorned with long tassels over each side of her chest, snug black shorts and lace stockings. All dolled up, in other words. She then quoted a dead woman, Anna Nicole Smith, by asking, “How do you like my BAH-dee?”

We like it just enough! But not so much to offend Slash, the evening’s BFF.

Following are more “hooky” riffs from a crisp and loud evening in VegasVille:

*The vocalist for much of the evening was Las Vegas native Franky Perez, whose look has matured to the point where he looks like the father of the guy who released the promising “Poor Man’s Son” in 2003. The last time I’d seen Perez perform was that year when he opened for Lynyrd Skynyrd at The Orleans Arena. He roared through “Whipping Post” that night, and again last night, along with AC/DC's “Highway to Hell” and Black Sabbath’s “War Pigs.” Dressed entirely in black, shedding the shades and jacket in favor of a tank top late in the show, Perez obviously relished performing with the high-level stars like Perry, Nielsen, Slash, Matt Sorum and Duff McKagan, who swapped spots on the stage over the two-hour show. At one point, he asked if anyone was from Las Vegas (a few among the crowd of about 650 cheered) and then he gave a call-out to his alma mater, Bonanza High School. Not your typical rock-show moment, eh? In the late stages, Perez also wore what appeared to be an old red-and-blue Las Vegas Stars hat from about 20 years ago.

It was fun watching Perez work it out onstage again. There was a time when he was at least as promising an artist as The Killers. It’ll be interesting to see if he can, as we say, parlay this fortuitous gig into something he can sustain.

*The Joe Perry Project opened the show and performed a song Aerosmith ignored during its visit to the MGM Grand Garden Arena a couple of months ago, a reggae version of “Dream On.” Perry said that version of the song was requested by an individual who booked the band to perform during a cruise, and Perry’s response was something like, “Forget you, cruise boy,” but it was a pretty cool rendition.

*Jot down Scherzinger’s name on that list of performers you don’t want to follow. She’s an exotically beautiful, easy-on-the-eyes, hard-on-the-ears performer able to share the stage with anyone (just in the past month, she’s appeared with both Gossy-Goss and Slash). By the time she finished with a full-force take on “Whole Lotta Love,” Love walked to the mic and said, “I just got my a** handed to me. I’ve gotta follow that?” Give Love credit for conveying that revelation, at least. She’s no dummy.

*Anyone clamoring for a meltdown by Love came away disappointed. She sipped from a glass filled with orange fluid and produced a lyric sheet to make it through “20th Century Boy,” a move I’d seen only once before, when Pink unfolded sheets of lyrics for “Rock and Roll” during the opening-night party at Empire Ballroom four years ago. But Love still has that haggard-sexy act pretty much perfected. She might not look or sound great each time out, but no one looks or sounds quite like her. At least, no one famous.

*Notable jams: Nielsen, who should be our next mayor, played on the full-group effort of Cheap Trick’s “Surrender.” Perry returned for “Toys in the Attic.” Sen Dog of Cypress Hill joined Perez on a blistering “Walk This Way.” McKagan and Sorum (who seemed to be in full, stroppy revelry by the time he hit the stage late in the show) joined Slash in a mini-Guns ’N Roses reunion for “It’s So Easy” (which I’ve always felt would make a great ballad) and an everyone-in-the-pool “Paradise City” to finish the show.

Friday, October 2, 2009

Slash N' Friends Gig at the Mirage Tonight





Slash N' Friends will play the Mirage Hotel and Casino tonight.


The line-up for the Mirage gig is: Tommy Clufetos on drums, Johnny Griparic on bass, Ted "Zig Zag" Andreadis on keys, Slash and John 5 on guitar, and Franky Perez, vocals. That's basically the house band.

Slash's special guests tonight are (more or less in this order): Rocco Deluca, Nicole Scherzinger, Courtney Love, Rick Nielson, Robin Zander and Joe Perry. Also, Matt Sorum is jamming a couple songs and there will be some other surprises.

The Joe Perry Project is playing as well, it's going to be a loud night.

Tickets are available through Mirage Entertainment on the Mirage website.

Another gig Slash is putting together will be on November 22. It's a fundraiser for LA Youth Network or "LAYN" at the Henry Fonda Theater.

The solo record is in its mixing stage. & the mixes to this point sound great. We have recorded 18 songs with one more I want to track in the next couple weeks.

The record is still slated for a February or March 2010 release.

Links: Slash on SayNow!
The Mirage's 20th Anniversary Concert Bash

Sunday, September 20, 2009

Duff: "Plans are in Place to Reform VR Next Autumn"


California Chronicle
Duff McKagan proved he had an eye for figures when he was invited to a wild party at the legendary Playboy mansion. But the US rock star wasn't just eyeing up the scantily-clad Bunny Girls lounging around the home of millionaire Hugh Hefner.

The bassist impressed the sex industry mogul with his business knowledge and landed a job writing a financial column for Playboy magazine.

Duff said: "I went to business school and got my finance degree. It's an interesting time to be writing a financial column. It's great fun and keeps my brain ticking over."

Duff shot to fame playing with two of the biggest bands in rock history - Guns N' Roses and Velvet Revolver, so he's one of the few rockers equipped to keep tabs on the royalties he earns.

He said: "I keep a handle on where all our money goes. When Guns blew up we began creating huge income - not just for us but for other people. Musicians have no training for things like business managers and tax credits. I didn't want to get ripped off so I learned about it."

Duff brings his new band Loaded to the O2 Academy in Glasgow on October 17 supporting Black Stone Cherry.

The group will promote new single "Mother's Day," a track from their album, Sick.

Duff said: "I like the feeling of forward motion a tour gives you [everything] from the cameraderie of a band to the feedback from the audience."

He has fond memories of playing in Scotland with Velvet Revolver, the supergroup formed with ex-Guns' bandmates Slash and Matt Sorum.

He told me: "Our show at the SECC in Glasgow in 2004 is one of my three favourite gigs of my entire career. The crowd was figuratively carrying us on their shoulders. I felt so in the moment. I'd put it up there with when Guns played at Rock In Rio in 1991."

But Duff has promised we've not seen the last of Velvet Revolver.

In 2008, singer Scott Weiland announced on stage at the SECC he was quitting the band but Duff says plans are in place to reform the band next autumn.

He said: "We've got a top 10 list of singers we'd like to try out, and enough material for a great new record."

Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Guns N' Roses to Rock Taiwan December 11


Axl Rose will bring Guns N' Roses to the seat of Chinese democracy, namely Taipei, Taiwan, to kick off the Asian leg of their Chinese Democracy World Tour on December 11, 2009.

Guns N' Roses will take the stage of the Taipei County Stadium at 8PM.

The Asian leg of the GN'R tour will only consist of dates in Japan, South Korea,and Taiwan.

The Promoter, Brokers Brothers Herald has been trying to secure the band since 2006.

Axl Rose agreed the deal for a $750,000 USD show fee.

Tickets for Taipei Concert prices from NT$1500 to NT$5000, will be on sale this saturday with 10%-off special price, purchase at G-music(Rose/TCM Tickets )

http://ticket.g-music.com.tw/Index.aspx

Band members:

Axl Rose - Vocals
DJ Ashba - Guitar
Ron Thal - Guitar
Richard Fortus - Guitar
Dizzy Reed - Keyboards
Chris Pitman - Keyboards
Tommy Stinson -Bass
Frank Ferrer -Drums

Related: Tour Rumors Are Starting Up Again

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Tour Rumors are Starting Up Again


Axl Rose may bring Guns N' Roses to the seat of Chinese democracy, namely Taipei, Taiwan, to kick off the Asian leg of their Chinese Democracy World Tour.

Guns N' Roses
2009 Asia Tour

Date: Dec. 11, 2009
Time: 8:00 PM
Venue: Taipei County Stadium

www.bbh.com.tw

In March, GN'R manager Irving Azoff told Rolling Stone that "we have some exciting things in the works this year for GN'R, I’m looking forward to it."

More rumored dates as they trickle in ...

Guns N' Roses at "THE CRASH MANSION"
Saturday, Oct 24 @ 10:00 PM

Monday, August 10, 2009

Slash to Embark on Massive Tour Next Year


From Slash's MySpace blog:

"I don't know how I'm supposed to wait until next year to put out this record! It is so fucking cool & I am so anxious to get it out already. We start mixing soon & that will be that, ready to go. But, I have to wait, there's no way around it, for all kinds of logistic reasons & that's the reality.

But, my VR bandmates & I had a meeting a couple of weeks ago & although the search for a singer will continue, I am going to tour on my solo record most likely thru next summer starting in March or April. We (VR) will keep the word of mouth system going & listening to submissions from singers & checking out different singer's sites etc, we know the right guy is out there somewhere. It's possible somebody could turn up before I do my tour & we could start working on new material sooner than later, in a perfect world.

As far as my tour is concerned, I have already started to put together ideas for a kickass band & the plan is to perform some new stuff, Snakepit, VR & Guns stuff. The new album is really great & deserves that I should support it. Plus, I'm really looking forward to getting out there & doing some gigs, its been more than a year since I was on a proper tour & all these one off jams are basically just a tease.

So, there's the update for now, I'm still tinkering away on the solo record but there really isn't much left to do on it but mix it, which starts in September."

Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Slash Turns 44


Slash was born Saul Hudson on this date in 1965, in Berkshire, England.

Slash is a living legend, and the most distinctive guitar player of his generation.

His guitar playing on Appetite for Destruction is the ultimate fusion of Sleazy Blues and Punk Rock, and has never been replicated since, even by Slash himself.

Currently, Slash is working on his first-ever "solo" album with fellow GN'R alums Izzy Stradlin and Steven Adler as well as rock legends Ozzy Osbourne, Ron Wood and Lemmy Kilmister.

It's been a strange year for Slash.

Besides working on his solo album, Slash rocked Norway's Quart Fest with an all-star group of musicians and vocalists.

On June 5, Slash's mother Ola Hudson passed away. She was only 62. Her death was sudden and unexpected.

In May Slash was a mentor on American Idol's Rock Week. He played with Tommy Clufetos (drums), Chris Chaney (bass) and Kerri Kelli (guitar).

Slash's solo disc is expected out in early 2010. His band, Velvet Revolver is currently on hiatus.

Happy Birthday Slashman!





Friday, July 10, 2009

Rumor: Guns to Play Hop Farm Festival in 2010


Virtual Festivals has in interview with Vince Power, the mafia don of the live music industry. In it, he discusses (among other things) his plans for next year's Hop Farm Music Festival.

Virtual Festivals: Have you got any bigger acts in mind for next year?

Vince Power: "I have. I’m going to do a second site next year as well, on the same weekend. I’ve got a site in mind in the North of England, around the centre of the Manchester/ Leeds area. I can’t tell you the names of the artists but if you think about who’s likely to be around next year you’ll get a fair idea." [VF’s tip is Guns N’ Roses]

Thanks to Appetite for Discussion for the find.